Engine temperature monitoring

Hi to all forte owners
being a 1.6EX owner ,realized that it didn't have a temperature gauge display on the instrument panel.The only display will be a coolant warning indicator which by then the engine would've been overheated. Any idea for 1.6SX & fellow 2L owners ,does yours come with a temperature display (eg Cold to High) ? Thks!

Have u check the LED display? There's a button on the left "TRIP", press a few times to cycle through the various modes available.

That's what I got on the SX...I thought EX shares the same instrument display?

When start Engine in early morning.
There is this BLUE thermometer lighted up.
After a minute or 2. This Blue indocator will be off as Engine warm up.
If RED Thermometer is lighted up.......think this is time to drive into Service station for check up . Hope i am RIGHT. Anyone second this ?

hmm it's omost the same as Toyota Vios if im not wrong .
After awhile the Blue thermometor icon will be off ..

thanks guys for yor prompt reply , thinks EX doesn't c/w that's why they put in our specs w/o "supervision instrument cluster"

wad u can do , is wait lyk 1-2 min loh .
lyk wad all the ppl say .
it's always good to warm up ur car (:

warm up car to heat up the lubrication oil to its working temp. Plus give time to lub your engine thoroughly before you move off, less wear and tear.

yup, i asked my SE the same qn the other day. red light will appear only when engine is overheating, otherwise, no symbols to indicate.

Actually, the cams and all the engine parts are pretty much soak in the engine oil ler...

The pistons are moved so fast the moment u turn on ur engine, there is sufficient lubrication. 10-20sec is all u need and then u can juz ride off gently. 1-2min is too much idling imo.

The oils are supposed to work within a range of temperatures.

In cold countries, warm up is pratice coz of the freeze...SG warm up engine.....money waste only.

Unlike human where we need to warm up to release natural pain killers and loosen up muscles etc etc....u can't do that with mechanical parts.

There's a portion in ur manual saying that it's not necessary to warm up your engine due to idling engine wear too.

But different ppl have different ideas...to each his own.

double post, beat pi pi!

Fortec wrote:Actually, the cams and all the engine parts are pretty much soak in the engine oil ler...

The pistons are moved so fast the moment u turn on ur engine, there is sufficient lubrication. 10-20sec is all u need and then u can juz ride off gently. 1-2min is too much idling imo.

The oils are supposed to work within a range of temperatures.

In cold countries, warm up is pratice coz of the freeze...SG warm up engine.....money waste only.

Unlike human where we need to warm up to release natural pain killers and loosen up muscles etc etc....u can't do that with mechanical parts.

There's a portion in ur manual saying that it's not necessary to warm up your engine due to idling engine wear too.

But different ppl have different ideas...to each his own.

Second that.
And our ECU r clever enough to adapt different conditions such as a cold start.
So there isnt a need for warming up of engine.

but smt weird for my frens vios .
if u drive off w/o the blue temp icon going off , there's this sound and the car will start off real slow , unless it's properly warm up (blue temp icon goes off)
hmm .. is it becuz vios assemble in thai ?

tom yam .....nice only when its hot....
kimchi cold or hot also very nice....

muff wrote:tom yam .....nice only when its hot....
kimchi cold or hot also very nice....

Wat an analogy!!! lol....

Hmmm like that drive to malaysia with the EX dangerous? Cos no advance indication of the engine overheating?

It won't get overheating so easily if you are driving at constant speed and not at high speed for long hours. So no worry. Furthermore in SG, how far can you go and the chance of overheating your engine, I think almost zero

It does prolong the lifespan of the engine if you warm up abit, my
previous 4 yrs engine was still in good working condition even though I
redline it very often(small CC thats y alway loot it)
Paiseh, my job habit was to warm things up before putting load to the engine, because the time taken for engine to heat up the lub oil to 50 degree celcius requires 1-2 mins which should be the timing that the blue icon goes off(If i still remember my picanto timing keke). Park overnight means all lub oil will settle to the bottom and the ambient temerature is ard 30 degree celcius. I doubt there are any lub oil priming motor so therefore I presume the oil are distributed by oil pump coupled to the engine, which means there will not be immediate lubrication.
just my 2 cents hehe

with reference to owner's manual sect 5 page 36.....

.......your veh does not req extended warm-up.......after start-up, allow the engine to run for 10 to 20 sec prior to placing the veh in gear.......

Usually I will look at the temperature meter and once I can see the bar moving, I zoom off.

muff wrote:with reference to owner's manual sect 5 page 36.....

.......your veh does not req extended warm-up.......after start-up, allow the engine to run for 10 to 20 sec prior to placing the veh in gear.......

This method is warming up the car by slow speed, which the manual did not elaborate on the slow part after that 20secs. Thats why I choose idling, confirm no load and no need to stress myself looking at speedo. But when i rush for work ...bo bian use the slow speed move off rather than stay on the spot to 2mins.

Some links to read up
http://www.missico.com/personal/thoughts/make_car_last.htm

http://www.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF7/747.html

muff wrote:tom yam .....nice only when its hot....
kimchi cold or hot also very nice....

Oh ya............finally our KimChi has arrived,

Early morning, open up Bonnet. peep into the Engine Oil top-up chamber.
U see the parts ........tappets n all movable parts.... all parts coated with oily sticky lub right. So don't worry abt dry start up in early morning or engine damage............Long Live Forte...Longer than COE Life.

It takes only a few moments for the oil pump to cycle through the
engine oil for lubrication purposes but like I said before the entire engine is already soak with your prefer choice of engine oil, just get your car going gently until it's hot(peak operating temperature) and go rev like crazy.

What I mean is get your car to OPTIMAL OPERATING TEMPERATURE by gently driving it there and not idle it up or cold rev it up.

Allowing the engine to idle to operating temperature is in fact killing
ur engine. Likewise when we idle while waiting for our love ones or in
a bad traffic jams. It also contribute alot to the climate change.

1) You get less oil pressure when your engine is at idle compare to
driving at higher rpm. There is less pressure to blow the carbon
deposit out. Carbon will build up
on all engines since we are all on combustion, unless extremely
excessive, won't really shorten the engine lifespan,
but it will hurt fuel economy and performance big time.

2) Idling also means your engine is not burning ur fuel efficiently, or
what they call incomplete/partial combustion. It means fuel is only
partially combusted which leads to the build up of fuel residues(mainly carbon) that can damage engine components and
increase fuel consumption. Components means ur spark plugs, cylinders,
exhausts, extractors etc etc.

3) Help save the earth! Idling is not helping our EARTH! STOP IDLING!

4) Old engines maybe, but new engines are better machined with better
clearances and specifications. With advancement of technology, our
approach to daily activities need to be revised from time to time.

One more thing I like to add is, frequent on/off ur engine(changing the
sparks, starter etc etc)save you more money than all the fuel that you
idle away on jams and waits.


oh, btw it takes about 1-2min to gently move out of MSCP, your engine should be hot and spanky for some redline by the time you hit your favourite expressway.

Spiritseye wrote:Hmmm like that drive to malaysia with the EX dangerous? Cos no advance indication of the engine overheating?

That's why we need regular servicing, and morning pre drive check if u got the time.
Overheat usually means alot of $$ burning soon.

You can always install aftermarket oil pressure/engine temp gauges...but the red indicator is sufficient liao....U see that means up lorry liao...same thing if u see variation in the gauges, ironically.

Fortec: This i read before, but our catalyst converter needs to warm up too before it can fully remove the toxics, so moving off without proper warm up will introduce more contaminates to the environment doesn't it ?. Nowadays very hard to do the right thing, all say different things. So listen to who? keke

eraser wrote:Fortec: This i read before, but our catalyst converter needs to warm up too before it can fully remove the toxics, so moving off without proper warm up will introduce more contaminates to the environment doesn't it ?. Nowadays very hard to do the right thing, all say different things. So listen to who? keke

Put ur hand on the exhaust tip after your start ur car in the morning, let me know how long it takes to get burn.

my hand totally diff material from the catalyst, my hand the most can stand 50 degrees but a catalyst can stand 600 degrees celsius minimum. Ok so I'll warm up with 10-20secs in future if not more body parts will burn keke

Last time MSCP can smoke...habit to start the engine and light up a stick upon finish then drive off....engine fully warm up...

eraser wrote:warm up car to heat up the lubrication oil to its working temp. Plus give time to lub your engine thoroughly before you move off, less wear and tear.

Warming up the car before moving off so the engine oil will reach the places where there is little oil, thus lub the engine parts properly before moving off will not wear ur engine parts.

i was told by alot of guys from my work place that new car cannot warm up this way... u start ur engine, auto choke will tuen on, after it turn off, move off very slowly and drive very slowly until ur engine is warm... then resume normal driving.

For new car, waiting for engine to fully warm before moving off is not good or not practise anymore because of new engine.

please advise guys.

opps, looks like everyone said it all before i reach page 2 to post my previous post

nothing wrote:Last time MSCP can smoke...habit to start the engine and light up a stick upon finish then drive off....engine fully warm up...

thats a good way to judge if engine is fully warm-up......bet Bro nocash will fully agreed with you........

Haha.. fully agree with you,once smoke finish confirm engine fully warm up.
No Engine Temperature Monitoring doesn't matter and lung with indicate..

nocash wrote:Haha.. fully agree with you,once smoke finish confirm engine fully warm up.
No Engine Temperature Monitoring doesn't matter and lung with indicate..

haha..now cannot light up, morning drive to work feels weird....I don't like to smoke below the MSCP, becos morning, many students waiting for school bus...feel bad...