OPC Query

Hi fellow Forte owners, OPCs especially.
I wanna ask if its ok to drive from say car park level 4A to 1A washing bay to wash car?
Is it illegal? Cos last nite came back late... got some water "dustlets" wanna wash now...

will i be caught if i drive down to washing bay?

haha wait 2 more hours la.. awhile only..

i tink shud be ok bah....
cannot be got tp and rov standby at ur mscp there....hehe
but still to be safe...after 3 la...

can one lah.. i used to move here move there within my open carpark.. so long dun go to road is ok..

ai ya now wash clean clean
then 3 can hit the roads already mah
:p

ok... i think have to use SAF "rule". Everything also can. Just dun get caught. LOL

scorpey wrote:can one lah.. i used to move here move there within my open carpark.. so long dun go to road is ok..

alright! thanks!

FYI, i normall corss a 2-lane road to go from my open carpark to the next MSCP for my car wash during restricted hrs.. but i check for "blind" spots b4 i go.. if go TP i do reverse parking onli.. there is one lot b4 the entrance/ exit doing it for 4 yrs no problem at all..

Aiyah, TP won't kacau u for driving from L4 to L1 in MSCP la.. .. if TP come just tell him you wash car la.. I believe it's not ILLEGAL..

xenocide wrote:Hi fellow Forte owners, OPCs especially.
I wanna ask if its ok to drive from say car park level 4A to 1A washing bay to wash car?
Is it illegal? Cos last nite came back late... got some water "dustlets" wanna wash now...

will i be caught if i drive down to washing bay?

bro.. u're allowed to drive anywhere inside a carpark...carpark under HDB or ur Condo mgt... not LTA..
so it's save to drive from l4 to l1 inside carpark.. anywhere inside or outside carpark also ok.. as long as u dont drive into main road then is no prob.

erm guys...i am not too sure about driving in carparks... my mum's friends' son was caught for changing carpark lots in the same carpark during restricted hours....his reason was that the sun is baking his car...then he received a summon...6k...if i am not wrong....mai siao siao...
not worth it...

i heard stories abt it too. cos i heard that with out a license they can catch u even if u r in a carpark on the driver seat with e engine on

Well I think this is really a grey area and if you happen to be summoned you can present your arguements. Frankly speaking, I don't see anything wrong with driving from L4 to L1 for car wash coz you are not hitting the roads. In fact, you are not "using" your car during restricted hours but being a "slave" by cleaning it .

People buy car for convenience and you pay for convenience . And you are not using it for your convenience, ie going for shopping or what so ever but washing it, I believe there is room for arguement.

By the way, did your mom's friend's son end up paying the 6k?

Ya, it is not tat i dun believe those summon cases, but if we go back to basics, the OPC scheme is to ease the congestion on the road during peak hours, wad has it gotto do with moving from one car park lot to another.. and even turing on ur engine?!
If that is really the case, LTA should highlight to opc car owners.. to the extend something like this:
"Usage of opc car is only limited to off-peak period i.e. 7a.m to 7p.m. car owners are reminded it is a serious offence even to turn on ur car engine during restricted hours!"
then i think will be interesting to see what opc owners got to say..

Actually, if caught driving on the road... who will / who can issue the summon??

LTA?
TP?
Fong Fei Fei?
Cisco?

i was asked to stop n checked by TP on the coupon b4 on the road.. so i guess it TP duties..

joepele wrote:Actually, if caught driving on the road... who will / who can issue the summon??

LTA?
TP?
Fong Fei Fei?
Cisco?

What/who is Fong Fei Fei? The Taiwanese singer? hahaha...

car park atendants..

LTA and Cisco can do it too...

scorpey wrote:car park atendants..

Bingo.

i couldnt confirm the firgure cos my mum wsnt sure of the amount either. but definitely have such a rule cos i have heard others receiving summon for moving car in a same carpark lot.

The rule did say "usage" when we start engine and move from 1 lot to another does it mean we are using?

Definition from: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/usage

USAGE: an act of using or employing;

so does it mean we have broken the rule and thus deserve a fine? lt does seems so - we have moved the car


B4 i bought OPC there were many told me that OPC got many problems, to be stopped by TP everytime u drive during restricted hours, etc... but to think of it, if we are diligent enough and follow the rules, probably will have less issues...

In the future, it might be easier for them to track our car location. if not why do they remove the coupon scheme and use online application? How would they know if we have drivien? Somemore we are given up to the next day 12pm to apply for the licence to drive during restricted hours. paperless also mean : "i know u drive your OPC."

dun play play...

Think of this $6K penalty = 300 coupons... worth it?

TP / LTA are the official officers

CISC0/AETOS wil the outsource for them whn the new schemes start.

So will they define whether moving lots in the same carpark warrants a coupon?

Next time electronic coupon you dunno whether need to put anot next day tio 6K fine

S.C wrote:So will they define whether moving lots in the same carpark warrants a coupon?

Next time electronic coupon you dunno whether need to put anot next day tio 6K fine

no idea man...

My frd was given a warning for juz warming up his car that was left for 3 weeks whn he was outstation. He left his engine running while he was vacuuming his boot comparment. The officer frm LTA say tat he could be fine for usage w/o valid coupon. WTF!!! My frd explained to the officer tat he just wanted to start up his cold engine tat was left for 3 weeks. Lucky he got away wif juz a warning. Guess it oso depends on the officer on duty, on the ball or not.

rockstarforte wrote:My frd was given a warning for juz warming up his car that was left for 3 weeks whn he was outstation. He left his engine running while he was vacuuming his boot comparment. The officer frm LTA say tat he could be fine for usage w/o valid coupon. WTF!!! My frd explained to the officer tat he just wanted to start up his cold engine tat was left for 3 weeks. Lucky he got away wif juz a warning. Guess it oso depends on the officer on duty, on the ball or not.

wah...guess they are very strict on the definition of usage and use...

Sound like an officer throwing his weight around.

Starting the car doesn't seem to be = using his car what?

Kinda crappy man.

joepele wrote:Sound like an officer throwing his weight around.

Starting the car doesn't seem to be = using his car what?

Kinda crappy man.

Yeah... get a weighing scale and put it in the car....if you hear this crap....take out the scale and ask him to stand on it....

Seriously, I don't think the government meant the OPC scheme to be such a nuisance....it is the interpretation by the lower rungs of the organisation that rile us all.

On the safe side, why not get an explation from LTA? Anyway, I just drop a feedback to LTA regarding this. Hope they come outwith an answer. I'll post it here. Cheers!

hehe.. i did tat not long ago too.. let see if they reply

ace wrote:

joepele wrote:Sound like an officer throwing his weight around.

Starting the car doesn't seem to be = using his car what?

Kinda crappy man.

Yeah... get a weighing scale and put it in the car....if you hear this crap....take out the scale and ask him to stand on it....

Seriously, I don't think the government meant the OPC scheme to be such a nuisance....it is the interpretation by the lower rungs of the organisation that rile us all.

The point is to curb cars from going onto the main road to jam up the traffic...

But then... give some authority... macham like army Sargents... they will abuse it to the max...

Use chicken feather and pretend it to be the royal sword...

simple, don't turn the engine on then. ask your dear to push your car from behind while you are in the driver seat. that TP can't say you are preparing to leave the carpark as the engine is NOT on!

The White Cruiser wrote:simple, don't turn the engine on then. ask your dear to push your car from behind while you are in the driver seat. that TP can't say you are preparing to leave the carpark as the engine is NOT on!

wah... like this also can ah.........

scorpey wrote:hehe.. i did tat not long ago too.. let see if they reply

yeap!

When i was driving OPC last time, i sent my car to a workshop for repairs.
The owner told me that i have to park my car into the garage so that nxt day(weekday) they can do the repair as they are not allowed to even shift the car during restricted hours.

From then on i did not shift my OPC within the carpark during restricted hours, they must have a reason since the workshop guy also say so.

Like what others say, u can try and argue but then again look at the amt of appeal cases in court and hw many of them managed to appeal successfully even though they had a valid reason. 6K is not a small amt and i would not risk it just for a moment of convenient.

just my 2 cents.

Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???

Not sure about the law part but my previous car forum, for OPC guys kenna warning because they drove inside the MSCP before. The mere starting of engine is good enough for them to book you. The guy got off with a warning because before he drove to wash his car, he got stopped already. So he quite heng as to only to get a warning according to him.

kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???

Why would LTA call you le??

joepele wrote:

kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???

Why would LTA call you le??

Coz I left a feedback in their webpage.. Hahaha..was hoping that they say it's alright to drive in MSCP for car wash and get a reply in black n white but... got a call from them informing me that it's againts the law...

Anyway, I don't have much opportunity to move my car during restricted hours coz I'm working, unless it's Sat or I'm on leave/ MC. With the new OPC scheme, Sat will no longer be a problem

wah LTA really cmi leh.. I bet they can't even define public lol

This call for a petition!

Now I'm curious.....how does the workshop in CnC or otherwise do the test on a car send in for servicing/repairs if they can't be allow on the road....including internal roads.

Put on the trade plate?

ace wrote:Now I'm curious.....how does the workshop in CnC or otherwise do the test on a car send in for servicing/repairs if they can't be allow on the road....including internal roads.

Put on the trade plate?

They are in private road, owned by them.

this is so sad then... have to be more careful already...

kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???

I think wash car still ok coz u r stationary unless u want to move the vehicle to washing bay in MSCP.

melburn wrote:

kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???

I think wash car still ok coz u r stationary unless u want to move the vehicle to washing bay in MSCP.

Bro Melburn,
You are right. So long you don't move the car, it's ok. I wonder next time get someone to push the car without starting it can ar ?

Not sure about the engine ignition though cos some bros here mentioned abt getting warning when starting the car during restricted hours.

The other thing about this usage term......

If you think you had a little too much to drink and want to sleep off in the car, remember not to sleep on the driver's seat, especially if the engine is running ...

Go lie down in the back or recline the pax seat fully and sleep there....

TP has the right to wake you up if you are sleeping at the driver's seat ... do a b j to check blood alcohol level and charge you if over the limit for having intentions to drive when over the limit.

kevinhwc wrote:

melburn wrote:

kevinhwc wrote:Just got a call from LTA regarding the movement of vehicle in MSCP. Apparently roads inside MSCP are considered public roads (althought it's small bla bla bla), thus driving in the MSCP will constitute a violation of the OPC scheme if no coupon is displayed . Guess what it means is that pay money if you wanna wash car during restricted hours. I really wonder if there is any clause in the law that state this. Any lawyers here???

I think wash car still ok coz u r stationary unless u want to move the vehicle to washing bay in MSCP.

Bro Melburn,
You are right. So long you don't move the car, it's ok. I wonder next time get someone to push the car without starting it can ar ?

Not sure about the engine ignition though cos some bros here mentioned abt getting warning when starting the car during restricted hours.

Do not on the engine or at least until someone can confirm it is ok. The problem of turning on the engine is the authorities can just ask did you just shift your car or something how come the engine is warm also. Wash wash wipe wipe think no problem. But then again if you do extensive washing also got problem in MSCP, cos washing can only be done at washing bay.

The law is blind. The symbol of law, as I remembered it, is a statue with a person holding a scale balance and a sword. The person is also blindfolded.

By right cannot, by left so long in MSCP I doubt they will charge you for moving lot from lot within.

Don't tell me that if something like a fire broke out in MSCP for example and your OPC is near it, then I reckon you would definitely want to shift it!?



Just relax...

xianren wrote:By right cannot, by left so long in MSCP I doubt they will charge you for moving lot from lot within.

Don't tell me that if something like a fire broke out in MSCP for example and your OPC is near it, then I reckon you would definitely want to shift it!?



Just relax...

Bro read my post above. Got people kenna warned for having intention to shift from parking to washing bay.