things to note when buying a Forte

1 Lesson that I've learn during the process of buying this car...

Get it in Black and White...
Even if it's scribbled in a rough piece of paper.

Get the SE to write it down.

What needs to be written down.

If you have been in this forum long enough... you'd noticed that different batches comes with different items... So far, most of the time they add items... but you'll never know when it's gonna be removed.

So get it down it writing... no need to have it in a contract...
Juz the SE's writing on a piece of paper will do.

e.g.
Auto Fold Mirror,
Alarm,
Central Locking,
BT handsfree
Windows tinting
17" rims,
etc etc...

Expected delivery date.

Color etc

I shall not emphasis what happened to me but... to safe guard yourself...

Anyway, for the rest of the bros...

Any other advise?

Anyway... have this feeling that some of the folks here may ask for freebies...

Here's some suggestion... may need to top up
Alarm - SX does not, I repeat does not come with alarm, only central locking...
*Dun let those unscrupulous SEs con you into thinking otherwise.

Leather Seats

Window tinting

Mats

Body Kits

In built GPS

leather seat also? sx doesnt come with leather seat?

zhuzhumao wrote:leather seat also? sx doesnt come with leather seat?

It does, wat joepele may be suggesting is that these items MAY be removed in future batches. So is better to get everything written down.

SX comes with leather seats and autofold mirror. My SE wrote it down in the order form without me asking. It should be the way.

Yes everything shld be written down black and white, no harm doing so.

Those were the things that vary...

Previously the company advertise the BK as 1k...

Now, 1.5k........

Inflation of 500 bucks over night.

Even worse still, if dun want the BK, the price still the same... they take back @ 500 bucks.

What BS.

Anyway...

For those who is comparing the EX vs the SX...

Here's a brief summary of my thoughts.

Tele Steering wheel... How often do you adjust it?

17" rims? Y
pay more to lower your FC? If you want more bling... trade in when you
collect your ride. The stock rims are 11kg each.

6 disk changer... do you need it? Get an IPod / 8gb thumb drive... can get more songs in there.

Leather seats? It's more like PVC for God sake.

ESC? Well... how fast do you take your corners?

Chrome Handles? Some places sells them for 40-60 bucks!

Shadow effect dials... that one... well... I've got to admit... it's nice.

Env Control... do you really need it?

joepele wrote:
Get it in Black and White...
Even if it's scribbled in a rough piece of paper.

..................

So get it down it writing... no need to have it in a contract...
Juz the SE's writing on a piece of paper will do.

Tat piece of paper can be used in the court of law as it is considered as a contract.
And FYI, a contract need not be written down, even verbal agreement can be amounted to a contract.

but written form is still better.... verbal becomes i say u say argument....

LOL! I just found out tat my written agreement form did not have the expected delivery date filled

hanxiang87 wrote:LOL! I just found out tat my written agreement form did not have the expected delivery date filled

Maybe becos the SE also don't know when yr ride coming ..you ask him how to fill in?

haa.. your se dun dare to write down la.. if its SX he will already write down straight away liao

FORTELOVER wrote:

hanxiang87 wrote:LOL! I just found out tat my written agreement form did not have the expected delivery date filled

Maybe becos the SE also don't know when yr ride coming ..you ask him how to fill in?

later he said "fill in yourself and you will get it"

ano57 wrote:

joepele wrote:
Get it in Black and White...
Even if it's scribbled in a rough piece of paper.

..................

So get it down it writing... no need to have it in a contract...
Juz the SE's writing on a piece of paper will do.

Tat piece of paper can be used in the court of law as it is considered as a contract.
And FYI, a contract need not be written down, even verbal agreement can be amounted to a contract.

Nope... Verbal is only valid if you can prove it.

And that is by recording.

If you want... most phones now a days have that function... get them to verbally agree then if they were to change later... you know what to do.

FORTELOVER wrote:

hanxiang87 wrote:LOL! I just found out tat my written agreement form did not have the expected delivery date filled

Maybe becos the SE also don't know when yr ride coming ..you ask him how to fill in?

A rough date.

It's totally unacceptable to leave the buyer hanging on a baseless date.

actually for a relationship to be in place in court, it can either through express agreement or implied agreement.

express agreement is through writting, black and white etc.

implied agreement can be verbally, behavior or action that lead to the agreement. so one cannot say sky and earth and in the end say no black and white so not counted. implied agreement still counted in court and can sue them if you buy the car because of the implied cause that was promised verbally by the dealer.

erm.. =/ i think i feel better not to know the date.. haha.. dun hold high expectation.. Thinking back.. i should have taken Hyundai i30 or Avente... Will be faster in procession of car. But i still love the Forte look and interior

c&c don't just do our business only. c&c will deliver what they promised. If the contract state you get the car in oct/nov. The latest date you receive the car would be 30 Nov 09. The only thing that you need to worry is your freebies, your se may give you low quality product so that they can earn more commissions. especially going to jump boat type....so do some homework and get them state in the contract so if they never give you what they promise, you can go back to them...my 2 cents''

Bring a seasoned car-lover along for bargain/negotiation. They will help you see things in many angles and perspective.

I made the mistake of not bringing one and got cut carrot.

joepele wrote:

ano57 wrote:

joepele wrote:
Get it in Black and White...
Even if it's scribbled in a rough piece of paper.

..................

So get it down it writing... no need to have it in a contract...
Juz the SE's writing on a piece of paper will do.

Tat piece of paper can be used in the court of law as it is considered as a contract.
And FYI, a contract need not be written down, even verbal agreement can be amounted to a contract.

Nope... Verbal is only valid if you can prove it.

And that is by recording.

If you want... most phones now a days have that function... get them to verbally agree then if they were to change later... you know what to do.

zhuzhumao wrote:actually for a relationship to be in place in court, it can either through express agreement or implied agreement.

express agreement is through writting, black and white etc.

implied agreement can be verbally, behavior or action that lead to the agreement. so one cannot say sky and earth and in the end say no black and white so not counted. implied agreement still counted in court and can sue them if you buy the car because of the implied cause that was promised verbally by the dealer.

Totally Correct!
For those who want to play Hard... Go get a laywer pay small amt of $$ to get a "lawyer letter" to issue to the SE cc C&C. and IF U WANNA PLAY PUNK. 3000 to start a case against them and minimum 3 yrs to see the session to court hearing.

If you peepz read enough..
A lot of crap happens in UBi.
You know why?
They are dealer.. Not Agent....
So if wanna see something drastic happens, all go to LK get.. .Leave the ubi options out and let see what happens...

astafas wrote:Bring a seasoned car-lover along for bargain/negotiation. They will help you see things in many angles and perspective.

I made the mistake of not bringing one and got cut carrot.

yeh.... Gather a handful of owners which u have befrended..
Convoy down to the showroom... .ASK THEM WAT CAN U GIVE ME? hhahahha


I don think they will makan u too much.. .but wont give you freebies either

hanxiang87 wrote:erm.. =/ i think i feel better not to know the date.. haha.. dun hold high expectation.. Thinking back.. i should have taken Hyundai i30 or Avente... Will be faster in procession of car. But i still love the Forte look and interior

The thing is, some of the bros here were promised 1 month wait, then they had shipment problems... but did they announce it or apologize for it...?

I think it's just dishonest, (IMHO, hiding the truth is also dishonest).

They had left me dangling for a car after I had made my payment w/o a expect to collect date... is that fair?

I dun expect the date to be the day after I make the payment... but @ least a date I can expect to see MY car.

zhuzhumao wrote:actually for a relationship to be in place in court, it can either through express agreement or implied agreement.

express agreement is through writting, black and white etc.

implied agreement can be verbally, behavior or action that lead to the agreement. so one cannot say sky and earth and in the end say no black and white so not counted. implied agreement still counted in court and can sue them if you buy the car because of the implied cause that was promised verbally by the dealer.

I have yet to see a case being won just by verbal agreements where both parties have a different story to tell.

hanxiang87 wrote:erm.. =/ i think i feel better not to know the date.. haha.. dun hold high expectation.. Thinking back.. i should have taken Hyundai i30 or Avente... Will be faster in procession of car. But i still love the Forte look and interior

You an SE lurking in the forum?

sunnyboy wrote:c&c don't just do our business only. c&c will deliver what they promised. If the contract state you get the car in oct/nov. The latest date you receive the car would be 30 Nov 09. The only thing that you need to worry is your freebies, your se may give you low quality product so that they can earn more commissions. especially going to jump boat type....so do some homework and get them state in the contract so if they never give you what they promise, you can go back to them...my 2 cents''

You are right!

But what I'm saying is that they dun even provide a date.

joepele wrote:

zhuzhumao wrote:actually for a relationship to be in place in court, it can either through express agreement or implied agreement.

express agreement is through writting, black and white etc.

implied agreement can be verbally, behavior or action that lead to the agreement. so one cannot say sky and earth and in the end say no black and white so not counted. implied agreement still counted in court and can sue them if you buy the car because of the implied cause that was promised verbally by the dealer.

I have yet to see a case being won just by verbal agreements where both parties have a different story to tell.

of cos other factors chip in during hearing ya.. like for molest dont need evidence for the gal to win. but if there are sustential implication that the girl did implied that the guy can touch her without rejection when the guy get nearer or getting close to her probably in a pub or club, the girl may implied giving consent, dun have to black and white write down right.

Anyway, wun be surpirsed that some of the SEs may be lurking here... feeling a little worried about what's being shared here.

hahaha........

Like Petrol Watch... Power to the People.

hahaha...

Do I sound like I'm running to a GRC?

se come better.. must know the standard of freebies we are expecting haa..

zhuzhumao wrote:
of cos other factors chip in during hearing ya.. like for molest dont need evidence for the gal to win. but if there are sustential implication that the girl did implied that the guy can touch her without rejection when the guy get nearer or getting close to her probably in a pub or club, the girl may implied giving consent, dun have to black and white write down right.

How is the guy supposed to prove that??

hahahaha??

She winked @ me??

Are you Singaporean??

Do you not know the Woman's Charter in SGP?

Do you know that you can get arrested if a lady who simply does not like your face and suddenly cries molest?

zhuzhumao wrote:se come better.. must know the standard of freebies we are expecting haa..

You think so?

The first guy who "served" me(Was also intro by an old friend)... Told me that he will not give more...

Fine, bye bye.

Some of them are starting to act like Toyota SEs...

You want you buy, you dun want... bye bye.

But if C&C wanna start acting like this... then so be it... what they have is good... not exactly fantastic... it's a matter of time before someone else like maybe "Cruze" takes over?

it depend on how lawyer fight le lo.. the woman charter also cannot anyhow use de. if there are sustainial evidence that the girl does the same implication to other people but yet only cry for molest simply because of disbute or dun like the face, the judge will know how to sentence bah.

the point is, implication do take into account in judgement. not necesary just black and white.. depending on scenerio la

zhuzhumao wrote:haa.. your se dun dare to write down la.. if its SX he will already write down straight away liao

y SX write straight away? cos is more expensive?In my paper document est delivery date is oct -nov if over the date what can we do more discount,freebie or court case?

they have ready stock for SX ya.. in paper or words, they didnt say will give discount or what right.. maybe you can call wan bao or xin min and make a fuss like the honda parellel import case that claimed that japan got earthquake thats why cant deliver on time and advice them to upgrade to higher model for ready stock haa..

joepele wrote:

hanxiang87 wrote:erm.. =/ i think i feel better not to know the date.. haha.. dun hold high expectation.. Thinking back.. i should have taken Hyundai i30 or Avente... Will be faster in procession of car. But i still love the Forte look and interior

You an SE lurking in the forum?

no i am not =,= i waiting for my forte also

if ur buying forte , u may want to consider if u wan to get the bk from cnc. if it is free, then ok, if u have to top up for it, then be sure coz ur gonna wait ....at least 2 months after u got ur car.....

if you read carefully, the delivery date stated as "estimated" no really holdable for action...
mine for one... stated jun / july... but got dragged into end of Aug... so... am i suppose to file a suit.. ? heee.... or can i?... any lawyer bro/sis here...?

for the BK, really donno what to expect liao.. i think i will call for that tomorrow.. still waiting for that before i do the PPS...

joepele wrote:

zhuzhumao wrote:se come better.. must know the standard of freebies we are expecting haa..

You think so?

The first guy who "served" me(Was also intro by an old friend)... Told me that he will not give more...

Fine, bye bye.

Some of them are starting to act like Toyota SEs...

You want you buy, you dun want... bye bye.

But if C&C wanna start acting like this... then so be it... what they have is good... not exactly fantastic... it's a matter of time before someone else like maybe "Cruze" takes over?

Demand more then supply... Hang up and sell
Supply more then demand..... I GIVE YOU EVERYTHING U WANT...

Pretty straight forward theory....