Synthetic & Mineral

Beisde the length between each servicing, what is the difference between these 2 engine oils?

Go to google it and read up.....

Hi Tri,

Basically, they are the same...

One juz has a longer life than the other.

Since in SGP, we usually get a car shop to do the servicing (and it's not free)... it may be a better idea to use a Syn one.

But of course there are other points to note as well.

See here.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4232672.html

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Motor oil is often one of the most popular topics in my car care column, especially around the times when the American Petroleum Institute (API) changes its classifications. Folks also get an itch for this topic whenever the car manufacturers lower the viscosity requirements. And they all seem to do this within a model year of one another. I have a stock answer I give to everyone: Use the grade and viscosity of oil that the owner's manual calls for, regardless of what your Uncle
Charlie uses in his car. Modern engines and modern oils are engineered simultaneously for long engine life, good fuel economy and proper emissions requirements. If you have an older car, using the API grade of oil (currently SM for gasoline engines and CJ-4 for diesels) is fine—they're designed to be compatible. But stick with the
viscosity rating originally specified by the manufacturer.


But oil viscosity isn't really what I want to talk about here. I'm looking to set the record straight on that old chestnut: synthetic oil. It's a confusing topic, and there's a lot of rhetoric, largely because some manufacturers and peddlers of synthetics have made a lot of inaccurate and self-serving claims over the years. Some, actually a lot, of this rhetoric is pretty strident and opinionated.


Briefly, there are two types of “synthetic” oils on the market. Group IV oils consist of molecules that are synthesized from simpler chemical compounds. This lets the chemical engineers “tune” the characteristics of a lubricant to exact specifications. These oils flow more freely at extreme low temperatures and don't break down at very high temperatures. As a side benefit, they generally can be specified one or two grades lighter than a mineral oil, which consumes less energy as friction inside the engine and saves fuel. These are superior products, and command a premium price. Mobil 1 is a good example of a high-end Group IV. Group III lubricants are made from reprocessed petroleum products normally left over after making crude oil into gasoline, diesel fuel, heating oil and other products. They're more modestly priced, and have many of the desirable characteristics of the higher-priced spread. In much of the world outside the USA, Group III-based lubricants are not
permitted to be marketed as “synthetic.” Castrol Syntec is a good example of this type.


Want to use a synthetic—but experiencing sticker shock? You have two options: Hunt for sales and buy a case at a time, or use one of the synthetic “blends.” With a substantial proportion of mineral oil in the mix, these are priced more affordably. They also provide only a proportion of the desirable characteristics of full synthetics.


Conventional mineral oils are simply one of the fractional distillation products from a barrel of crude, occasionally cracked from more viscous products in the refining process.


So, should you use synthetic oil? Depends. Some high-performance and high-end cars come factory filled with synthetic, and you should stick with it. If you live where it gets really frigid in the winter, you might be better off with a synthetic for its superior cold-weather starting. If you tow a trailer and your oil temperature is consistently above 200 F, you should use a synthetic oil and install an auxiliary oil cooler. I use mineral oils in my wife's car, but the race car and the motorcycles use synthetics. It's even more complicated than that—the race car gets a race-specific lubricant, with an additive package not intended for more than a few hundred miles between changes and not for very many cold starts. My Ducati, with its carbon-fiber-based dry clutch, uses an automotive-grade synthetic, while my wet-clutch Triumph uses a motorcycle-specific oil without friction modifiers. Wet-clutch bikes share the engine oil sump with the gearbox and clutch, so the friction modifiers used in auto-type oils might make the organic materials on the clutch plates too slippery and prevent good clutch lockup. If your driving cycle or your vehicle is more average, you probably can drive your car well past 200,000 miles without needing major engine work by using the proper grade of conventional mineral oil and appropriate change intervals.


But don't assume that if a synthetic is so good (read: very expensive) that you don't need to change it as often. The base lubricant may well be better, but the additive package, which can be as much as 25 percent of the volume of product in the bottle, can still become exhausted. And unburned fuel, partially burned hydrocarbons, atmospheric dirt, metal wear particles and blowby carbon particles will build up just as fast in a synthetic-lubricated engine as in one laved in petroleum-based oil. The only way to remove this stuff is to drain and replace the oil. I've always recommended 3000-mile oil changes, but I'm rethinking that. The air cleaners, the compression and oil-control rings and positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) in modern engines are better than ever. The air cleaners admit less abrasive atmospheric dirt, and closely fitted rings keep blowby and particulates above the piston and out of the oil. Sophisticated PCV systems are better at purging water vapor and partial hydrocarbons from the crankcase and burning them off in the engine, so I'm leaning more toward 5000 miles for most people with cars newer than about 1990 or so. As always, your mileage may vary.

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Hope this helps.

joepele wrote:Hi Tri,

Basically, they are the same...

One juz has a longer life than the other.

Since in SGP, we usually get a car shop to do the servicing (and it's not free)... it may be a better idea to use a Syn one.

But of course there are other points to note as well.

See here.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/how_to/4232672.html

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Motor oil is often one of the most popular topics in my car care column, especially around the times when the American Petroleum Institute (API) changes its classifications. Folks also get an itch for this topic whenever the car manufacturers lower the viscosity requirements. And they all seem to do this within a model year of one another. I have a stock answer I give to everyone: Use the grade and viscosity of oil that the owner's manual calls for, regardless of what your Uncle
Charlie uses in his car. Modern engines and modern oils are engineered simultaneously for long engine life, good fuel economy and proper emissions requirements. If you have an older car, using the API grade of oil (currently SM for gasoline engines and CJ-4 for diesels) is fine—they're designed to be compatible. But stick with the
viscosity rating originally specified by the manufacturer.


But oil viscosity isn't really what I want to talk about here. I'm looking to set the record straight on that old chestnut: synthetic oil. It's a confusing topic, and there's a lot of rhetoric, largely because some manufacturers and peddlers of synthetics have made a lot of inaccurate and self-serving claims over the years. Some, actually a lot, of this rhetoric is pretty strident and opinionated.


Briefly, there are two types of “synthetic” oils on the market. Group IV oils consist of molecules that are synthesized from simpler chemical compounds. This lets the chemical engineers “tune” the characteristics of a lubricant to exact specifications. These oils flow more freely at extreme low temperatures and don't break down at very high temperatures. As a side benefit, they generally can be specified one or two grades lighter than a mineral oil, which consumes less energy as friction inside the engine and saves fuel. These are superior products, and command a premium price. Mobil 1 is a good example of a high-end Group IV. Group III lubricants are made from reprocessed petroleum products normally left over after making crude oil into gasoline, diesel fuel, heating oil and other products. They're more modestly priced, and have many of the desirable characteristics of the higher-priced spread. In much of the world outside the USA, Group III-based lubricants are not
permitted to be marketed as “synthetic.” Castrol Syntec is a good example of this type.


Want to use a synthetic—but experiencing sticker shock? You have two options: Hunt for sales and buy a case at a time, or use one of the synthetic “blends.” With a substantial proportion of mineral oil in the mix, these are priced more affordably. They also provide only a proportion of the desirable characteristics of full synthetics.


Conventional mineral oils are simply one of the fractional distillation products from a barrel of crude, occasionally cracked from more viscous products in the refining process.


So, should you use synthetic oil? Depends. Some high-performance and high-end cars come factory filled with synthetic, and you should stick with it. If you live where it gets really frigid in the winter, you might be better off with a synthetic for its superior cold-weather starting. If you tow a trailer and your oil temperature is consistently above 200 F, you should use a synthetic oil and install an auxiliary oil cooler. I use mineral oils in my wife's car, but the race car and the motorcycles use synthetics. It's even more complicated than that—the race car gets a race-specific lubricant, with an additive package not intended for more than a few hundred miles between changes and not for very many cold starts. My Ducati, with its carbon-fiber-based dry clutch, uses an automotive-grade synthetic, while my wet-clutch Triumph uses a motorcycle-specific oil without friction modifiers. Wet-clutch bikes share the engine oil sump with the gearbox and clutch, so the friction modifiers used in auto-type oils might make the organic materials on the clutch plates too slippery and prevent good clutch lockup. If your driving cycle or your vehicle is more average, you probably can drive your car well past 200,000 miles without needing major engine work by using the proper grade of conventional mineral oil and appropriate change intervals.


But don't assume that if a synthetic is so good (read: very expensive) that you don't need to change it as often. The base lubricant may well be better, but the additive package, which can be as much as 25 percent of the volume of product in the bottle, can still become exhausted. And unburned fuel, partially burned hydrocarbons, atmospheric dirt, metal wear particles and blowby carbon particles will build up just as fast in a synthetic-lubricated engine as in one laved in petroleum-based oil. The only way to remove this stuff is to drain and replace the oil. I've always recommended 3000-mile oil changes, but I'm rethinking that. The air cleaners, the compression and oil-control rings and positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) in modern engines are better than ever. The air cleaners admit less abrasive atmospheric dirt, and closely fitted rings keep blowby and particulates above the piston and out of the oil. Sophisticated PCV systems are better at purging water vapor and partial hydrocarbons from the crankcase and burning them off in the engine, so I'm leaning more toward 5000 miles for most people with cars newer than about 1990 or so. As always, your mileage may vary.

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Hope this helps.

Hey bro, thanks for the help!

there is also semi-synthetic if you want in between...

if the servicing intervals are short...mineral oil is fine...if you are having long intervals then perhaps synthetic is better.

leo wrote:there is also semi-synthetic if you want in between...

if the servicing intervals are short...mineral oil is fine...if you are having long intervals then perhaps synthetic is better.

hahaha... but the problem is paying for workmanship.

Yea man, im doing servicing for around 7months for synthetic.

hope it won't cause any damage to my engine!

Tristanity wrote:Yea man, im doing servicing for around 7months for synthetic.

hope it won't cause any damage to my engine!

Actually, I read somewhere that for some oils, it's either 10,000km or 6 months..

aiya in simple terms.. they are all lube oil the difference is in they vicosity when in room temp and when they are heated up.. and the dist. they can be filtered and reuse till next service.. mineral oil normally people will use it for running in and very old car where everything is very very lose liao.. for new car normally people will use full syn.. to protect the engine better less enginge drag too for (can only feel obvious diff in high performance car)

hmmm...my sis car for example (hyundai getz 2004 3dr pinky)
she takes ard 9mths to clock 10,000km. after that then i bring her car for svc at my msia workshop.
until now, NO prob at all.

so anyone got a good engine brand to recommend, i think someone mention before, I was thinking of OWS.

Personal preference - Amsoil.

Used to get my oil from mxtradings. They carry quite a few popular brands (amsoil, mobil 1, redline, etc) at quite a reasonable price. U may visit their website for details.

http://www.mxtradings.com/index.htm

tish wrote:so anyone got a good engine brand to recommend, i think someone mention before, I was thinking of OWS.

can try blitz, HKS, amsoil, pennzoil, forge

loveforte wrote:

tish wrote:so anyone got a good engine brand to recommend, i think someone mention before, I was thinking of OWS.

can try blitz, HKS, amsoil, pennzoil, forge

Better not try HKS, later go over Hump got Knock Sound...

Actually HKS means Hello Kitty Sports

kapitan wrote:Actually HKS means Hello Kitty Sports

joepele wrote:

kapitan wrote:Actually HKS means Hello Kitty Sports

can bring own oil for servicing?

turbo4ev wrote:can bring own oil for servicing?

after 5k servicing you still interested to go back to the Cork & Cork for servicing?

turbo4ev wrote:can bring own oil for servicing?

have to pay them loh.. forgot 1 bottle how much

keigo wrote:

turbo4ev wrote:can bring own oil for servicing?

after 5k servicing you still interested to go back to the Cork & Cork for servicing?

not interested, but scare of warranty,.

so we can bring og wn oil, just brin1, 4l oil instead of 4 1l oil loh, hehe

lol maybe they count by liter.

All i know is as long on and off u go back to clock record can liao .

ohh, then maybe will consider doing outside liao, cus heard C&c very expensive.

bros for wat i know, the service advisor told me that if i dun use shell my engine warrenty is good as void lolxxx wat rubbish!!!

well 2 of of my personal favorites - FK and KIC engine oil..

shell engine oil sucks..
last time used shell helix ultra on my vios b4..
FC jialat...engine noisy

nocash wrote:

loveforte wrote:

tish wrote:so anyone got a good engine brand to recommend, i think someone mention before, I was thinking of OWS.

can try blitz, HKS, amsoil, pennzoil, forge

Better not try HKS, later go over Hump got Knock Sound...

but seriously i tried HKS oil on my vios, quite gd...
more responsive.
but engine oil change at 5k interval

think we sld start a poll on wat engine oil to use and the viscosity as some are reaching 10k soon ba.
i now 1 k already looking for wat oil to use.

ferrari also use shell helix wor...hehehehe

actually its quite the same like petrol...which do you prefer..

there is a thread on engine oil liao.... must look for it...

Hi all,

Used to drive a proton manual where I add badhl oil treatment. Anyone care to share if we can use this with syntethic oil?