How to Lock Your Car and Why??

Received this email this morning... anybody heard abt it??



This is an important message for car owners.

I locked my car. As I walked away I heard my car door unlock. I went back and locked my car again three times. Each time, as soon as I started to walk -away, I would hear it unlock again!! Naturally alarmed, I looked around and there were two guys sitting in a car in the fire lane next to the store. They were obviously watching me intently, and there was no doubt they were somehow involved in this very weird situation. I quickly chucked the errand I was on, jumped in my car and sped away. I went straight to the police station, told them what had happened, and found out I was part of a new, and very successful, scheme being used to gain entry into cars. Two weeks later, my friend's son had a similar happening. While travelling, my friend's son stopped at a roadside rest to use the bathroom. When he came out to his car less than 4-5 minutes later, someone had gotten into his car and stolen his cell phone, laptop computer, GPS navigator, briefcase, you name it. He called the police and since there were no signs of his car being broken into, the police told him he had been a victim of the latest robbery tactic -- there is a device that robbers are using now to clone your security code when you lock your doors on your car using your key-chain locking device. They sit a distance away and watch for their next victim. They know you are going inside of the store, restaurant, or bathroom and that they now have a few minutes to steal and run. The police officer said to manually lock your car door-by hitting the lock button inside the car -- that way if there is someone sitting in a parking lot watching for their next victim, it will not be you. When you hit the lock button on your car upon exiting, it does not send the security code, but if you walk away and use the door lock on your key chain, it sends the code through the airwaves where it can be instantly stolen. This is very real. Be wisely aware of what you just read and please pass this note on. Look how many times we all lock our doors with our remote just to be sure we remembered to lock them -- and bingo, someone has our code and whatever was in our car. Please share with everyone you know

I think that SX drivers a somewhat safe from this, as even professional shops that clone keys for a living can't duplicate our key. LOL!

LOL! Nothing new... It has already been happening in JB for some time.

And no, even SX owners are not immune to this. So long as you unlock your car by remote via over-the-air fm RF transmission, you're fair game.

BluZon wrote:Received this email this morning... anybody heard abt it??
This is an important message for car owners.

I locked my car. As I walked away I heard my car door unlock. I went back and locked my car again three times. Each time, as soon as I started to walk -away, I would hear it unlock again!! Naturally alarmed, I looked around and there were two guys sitting in a car in the fire lane next to the store. They were obviously watching me intently, and there was no doubt they were somehow involved in this very weird situation. I quickly chucked the errand I was on, jumped in my car and sped away. I went straight to the police station, told them what had happened, and found out I was part of a new, and very successful, scheme being used to gain entry into cars. Two weeks later, my friend's son had a similar happening. While travelling, my friend's son stopped at a roadside rest to use the bathroom. When he came out to his car less than 4-5 minutes later, someone had gotten into his car and stolen his cell phone, laptop computer, GPS navigator, briefcase, you name it. He called the police and since there were no signs of his car being broken into, the police told him he had been a victim of the latest robbery tactic -- there is a device that robbers are using now to clone your security code when you lock your doors on your car using your key-chain locking device. They sit a distance away and watch for their next victim. They know you are going inside of the store, restaurant, or bathroom and that they now have a few minutes to steal and run. The police officer said to manually lock your car door-by hitting the lock button inside the car -- that way if there is someone sitting in a parking lot watching for their next victim, it will not be you. When you hit the lock button on your car upon exiting, it does not send the security code, but if you walk away and use the door lock on your key chain, it sends the code through the airwaves where it can be instantly stolen. This is very real. Be wisely aware of what you just read and please pass this note on. Look how many times we all lock our doors with our remote just to be sure we remembered to lock them -- and bingo, someone has our code and whatever was in our car. Please share with everyone you know

1Seth1 wrote:I think that SX drivers a somewhat safe from this, as even professional shops that clone keys for a living can't duplicate our key. LOL!

I'm just speculating...
Key makers are not able to clone our keys to start engine, these thieves may be able to clone the signal to open the door

ctoh wrote:

1Seth1 wrote:I think that SX drivers a somewhat safe from this, as even professional shops that clone keys for a living can't duplicate our key. LOL!

I'm just speculating...
Key makers are not able to clone our keys to start engine, these thieves may be able to clone the signal to open the door

huh?? can what.. i already duplicate 2 spare key and hook at home. Both of these 2 spare key can open car door and also start the engine.. so what makes u think our key cannot be clone to start engine??

sooner or later.. we all required encryption on our transponder..

When I go over to JB, I never use the remote to lock. I always use the key to lock. This is more for safety precaution and prevention rather than a foolproof way to secure the car. If your car is a target, it is more or less a done deal unless you make it a little bit more difficult for it to be taken away. Or course, a steering wheel lock do help or make your car a little unattractive or troublesome for unwanted visitors.

alternatively, take out the steering wheel like Mr Bean...

btw, if we used the manual lock by key, will our 1way zmc add-on alarm still been activated??

BluZon wrote:btw, if we used the manual lock by key, will our 1way zmc add-on alarm still been activated??

I'm thinking the same question, anyone can answer?

i'm not going in JB without any immobilizer at least, dun play play, those robbers are nuts. they can drive a Merz & rob your car.

The question would be if you used your key to lock your car, did you 'ARM' the alarm system by activating it with the transponder/remote unit on your key bunch? If no, then your multi-hundred dollar alarm system is as good as a sitting duck along with your car.

ctoh wrote:

BluZon wrote:btw, if we used the manual lock by key, will our 1way zmc add-on alarm still been activated??

I'm thinking the same question, anyone can answer?

u mean we still can arm it after the the manual lock if we press the remote?

Why not?

BluZon wrote:u mean we still can arm it after the the manual lock if we press the remote?

manual / transponder lock should be same. as they scan the RF range.. if your car is not lock it should trigger and viola.. they know your car responded.. so... no car is save.. IMO..

in JB /bolehland.. master keys is nothing.. so... they can access any car (of the model i think) dun need to duplicate anything one..
i know latest Hond* uses Cobra sec.. that comes with GPS and immo.. and ins that compensate up to 30K if your car is stolen under their system. but there is a monthly fee... too.. so.. its a cat and mouse game...

personally i trust steering wheel / paddle locks more then anthing..haaa....

my 2 cents..

It all depends on how determined and how well equipped the car-thief/jacker is. A modus operandi using a low-bed and a crane is not unheard of. A USD15 GPS signal jammer working off a 12V cigarette light socket with a radius of 25-m can be easily bought off the net.

I've even heard of cars being towed away after they had their brake lines cut so that the calipers don't work anymore.

How determined the thieves are and how far the authorities will go to enforce the laws pertaining to Grand Theft Auto are key to stopping crime.

Fransge wrote:i'm not going in JB without any immobilizer at least, dun play play, those robbers are nuts. they can drive a Merz & rob your car.

Any MO for immobilizer? I also want to install it before going to JB.

waypoint wrote:It all depends on how determined and how well equipped the car-thief/jacker is. A modus operandi using a low-bed and a crane is not unheard of. A USD15 GPS signal jammer working off a 12V cigarette light socket with a radius of 25-m can be easily bought off the net.

I've even heard of cars being towed away after they had their brake lines cut so that the calipers don't work anymore.

How determined the thieves are and how far the authorities will go to enforce the laws pertaining to Grand Theft Auto are key to stopping crime.

yes... very true...

its how bad they want the thing.. and now good can we make it inconvenience to "them" to do so... not unheard of that some cut owner's finger to access with thumb scanner access cars.. so...

jl1500k wrote:

Fransge wrote:i'm not going in JB without any immobilizer at least, dun play play, those robbers are nuts. they can drive a Merz & rob your car.

Any MO for immobilizer? I also want to install it before going to JB.

which immobilizer u all install ? hw much?

Just to add on ,

Most cars uses KeeLoq systems nowadays by factory .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeeLoq

Which could e decrypted by the use of a code grabber .

To summarise in short ,
Naturally when a person sees a honda car , he will know that it uses Keeloq system, and by having hands on any master key will be able to decode ALL honda cars with factory fitted systems.
This works the same for most automotive brands .

However , after market alarm systems works differently . They have their own sets of codes and own encryption methods , which explains why you can never replace like a pageguard remote with a SPY remote , and have to change the whole system instead due to the difference in encryption methods .

To break the codes of an alarm system will be yet another challenging one due to vast number of alarms in the market. The code grabber will have to guess what alarm system you are using before grabbing the codes . And otherwise , if users are using Zenesis and are afraid that the touchpad would cause an easy regconition, Zenesis uses code hopping technology , which is yet another kind of encryption, yet a whole new different challenge.

Another potential problem to note and which many people neglect is VALET parking . By leaving remotes with the valet people , they could actually just unlock your car and copy the codes within seconds. Therefore this is actually more of a potential threat then anything else. Some people could be victims of valet parking but felt that it was a code grabbing device that stole their codes . Please ensure that during valet parking it is better to just hand over the keys and set your car to valet mode and keep the remote with you .

For any additional questions please feel free to consult us ,and we will be glad to assist you guys on this matter .

Hope its helpful !

as an IT professional i'm well aware of hacking techniques and methods
but i've never thought about using this method to hack cars...

the theives really go the distance on this 1!

Hey ZMC, m getting my Forte soon with the keyless and ' immobiliser' features as stock from Kia. Was planning to install after market alarm but my SE warned that that will mess up the whole original keyless and immobiliser system as it will be impossible to just ' add ' a new alarm system to the original ones. Is this true? meaning i can't even install a alarm even i want to???

Mrhandphone wrote:Hey ZMC, m getting my Forte soon with the keyless and ' immobiliser' features as stock from Kia. Was planning to install after market alarm but my SE warned that that will mess up the whole original keyless and immobiliser system as it will be impossible to just ' add ' a new alarm system to the original ones. Is this true? meaning i can't even install a alarm even i want to???

Im interested to know too..

Nope thats totally not true.
To not fiddle or do without any factory features ,
You can go for a LFQ018C upgrade car alarm systems which works together with everything the car comes with. And you will get added features like Shock sensor , car arm reminder , hazard light flashing etc etc . Just like many of the bros/sis here who have installed it on their rides .

Now you know something that your SE doesnt .
haha just kidding .

Have a great day ahead.

cheers

Kenneth @ ZMC

zmc wrote:Nope thats totally not true.
To not fiddle or do without any factory features ,
You can go for a LFQ018C upgrade car alarm systems which works together with everything the car comes with. And you will get added features like Shock sensor , car arm reminder , hazard light flashing etc etc . Just like many of the bros/sis here who have installed it on their rides .

Now you know something that your SE doesnt .
haha just kidding .

Have a great day ahead.

cheers

Kenneth @ ZMC

Thanks ZMC, i m now just in a dilemma that let's say " touchwood" something happened to the keyless entry features after installing the upgraded alarm, then CnC will not cover for repair then i LL liao. Think gonna cost me a bomb to repair the system ?

Mrhandphone wrote:

zmc wrote:Nope thats totally not true.
To not fiddle or do without any factory features ,
You can go for a LFQ018C upgrade car alarm systems which works together with everything the car comes with. And you will get added features like Shock sensor , car arm reminder , hazard light flashing etc etc . Just like many of the bros/sis here who have installed it on their rides .

Now you know something that your SE doesnt .
haha just kidding .

Have a great day ahead.

cheers

Kenneth @ ZMC

Thanks ZMC, i m now just in a dilemma that let's say " touchwood" something happened to the keyless entry features after installing the upgraded alarm, then CnC will not cover for repair then i LL liao. Think gonna cost me a bomb to repair the system ?

Till date , where ZMC has been in business for 3 years , and fixed thousands of alarm systems, i seriously have not came across one that the original system was screwed up and have to go back claim warranty. Just to reassured you further , if "touchwood" anything happens , the first person to contact is us , and we will run the diagnostics for you . In anycase "touchwood again" if things cannot be repaired , we will "touchwood again" revert back to stock for you .

hahaha feel free to give us a call if you need any more info. I will gladly assist you on this matter.

Cheers my friend .

Kenneth @ ZMC .

Hey Kenneth, thanks for the info. will seriously consider this option now. haha. Cheers and have a good weekend

Mrhandphone wrote:Hey Kenneth, thanks for the info. will seriously consider this option now. haha. Cheers and have a good weekend

No problem bro. If you require further information, feel free to call or pm me. Thank you. Cheers! :D:D

zmc wrote:Just to add on ,

Most cars uses KeeLoq systems nowadays by factory .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeeLoq

according to the wiki, "It should be noted that Microchip introduced in 1996^[5]
a version of KeeLoq ICs which use a 60-bit seed. The eavesdropping
attack described above is not feasible if a 60-bit seed is being used."

by the way, the email posted is a hoax... it could be possible in the earlier years, but not now... http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/lockcode.asp

in order to hack a rolling code, which all manufacturers use by now, it'll take hours if not days to get the correct key... though if they're that good, there are more profitable things to hack...

who got install this alarm？ how much？