Re: Fuel Consumption

by Fortec 23rd June 2009, 6:50 pm

220 is when your tires are cold.
250 is when your tires are hot(2km distance drive)

so if you pump 220 when your tires are hot, they'll be around 200-205 when cold.

by dinkodink 23rd June 2009, 7:02 pm

tish wrote:
dinkodink wrote:presently happy with my SX2.0(M) FC... presently average FC meter indicate 8L/100km... still on 'run in'... will do manual calculation to confirm again...
thats very good!! 50% normal road 50% highway ?

can say so... cos most almost half of my journey on PIE/tpe tp bukit batok got congestion Laughing

by **loveforte** 23rd June 2009, 10:53 pm

very sad leh...i getting 7.7km/Lfor my 1st tank

by Spiritseye 23rd June 2009, 10:55 pm

wah, thats really bad. U heavy footer?

Hope the FC become better as time goes by

by **loveforte** 23rd June 2009, 10:56 pm

haha...i treat it v v v v soft already compare to my previous modded vios. now running in my rpm mostly is abt 2500. only twice hit 3000 rpm.

by saturnz^83 23rd June 2009, 11:25 pm

I'm currently in my 6th tank..using Shell 95..surprised that this time round my FC is about 7.5L/100km! Pumped full tank last monday and had been travelling alot this whole week, but until now onli drop to half tank! Hmm.. Smile

by saturnz^83 23rd June 2009, 11:26 pm

Oh ya..maybe i always turn off the aircon when i drive..dat's y FC is lower..

by **tish** 23rd June 2009, 11:51 pm

ehh guys state properly KM/L is very different from L/100KM

KM/L higher is better
L/100KM lower is better

by lukester 24th June 2009, 3:18 pm

i managed 7.2l/1000km while on the congested PIE, but once i come out of TPY, it slowly crawl up to 8.2l/1000km. Made me damm happy for a while.

by keigo 24th June 2009, 3:23 pm

lukester wrote:i managed 7.2l/1000km while on the congested PIE, but once i come out of TPY, it slowly crawl up to 8.2l/1000km. Made me damm happy for a while.

wow... super... teach me how you do that... 7.2l/1000km... which is 138.89KM/L.... thumbsup

by waypoint 24th June 2009, 5:21 pm

Must be the new KIA Cerato Forte Hy-Hybrid(petrol engine, electric motors and bangla) variant. Suspect

BR,
w a y

keigo wrote:
lukester wrote:i managed 7.2l/1000km while on the congested PIE, but once i come out of TPY, it slowly crawl up to 8.2l/1000km. Made me damm happy for a while.

wow... super... teach me how you do that... 7.2l/1000km... which is 138.89KM/L....

by **tish** 24th June 2009, 9:30 pm

lol 138.89 km/l lol

by lukester 24th June 2009, 9:39 pm

haha. paiseh, added 1 more zero...
:S

Anyway today went round ubi and navigating all the small roads...
very disappointed with the FC.

really horrible on small roads. but i calculated, even if i take small roads, i avoid all the erp, i still save alot.

by NightAngler 24th June 2009, 9:42 pm

Update

1.6 SX Auto with original 17" rims
215/45/17 Goodyear LS2000 tyres
Fuel used ESSO 5000
50-70% highway & 30-50% city
Spare tyre remained in boot
Other extra boot weight est. 15 Kg
Typical load - 1 adult driver + 1 adult front passenger

Collected on 27 Mar & immediately top up to full tank
1) Drove till "low fuel" warning light comes on (test warning system)
Top up 46L to full tank 485 KM travelled
(10.54 KM/L)
2) Top up 38.5L to full tank 441 Km travelled
(11.5 KM/L)
3) Top up 38L to full tank 409 Km travelled
(10.76 KM/L)
4) Top up 36L to full tank 368 KM travelled (car lightly used for 2 weeks - overseas)
(10.22 KM/L)
5) Top up 43L to full tank 486 KM travelled
(11.3 KM/L)
6) Top up 41L to full tank 422 KM travelled
(10.3 KM/L)
7) Top up 44 L to full tank 508 KM travelled
(11.54 KM/L)
8 ) Top up 44 L to full tank 479 KM travelled
(10.89 KM/L)
9) Top up 45L to full tank 535 KM travelled
(11.89 KM/L)
10) Top up 42L to full tank 421 KM travelled
(10.02 KM/L)
11) Top up 36L to full tank 367 KM travelled
- overseas abt 12 days & car lightly driven
(10.19 KM/L)
12) Total top up 66L 827 KM travelled
- return trip to Genting. Sin-Genting with 2 adults + 2 child. Genting-Sin myself only cause windscreen cracked while left at open space car park. Heavy footed driving with speed of 100-160 KMH on NSHW
(12.53 KM/L)

Note: All readings taken from Trip A/B with pump receipts

Consumption will have taken into consideration all warm up/idling time duration as well as evaporation losses in our hot climate.

Driving style wise, I'll consider myself to be slightly heavy footed.

Current ODO reading abt 5900 KM

by **tish** 24th June 2009, 10:27 pm

nice info, ur FC also very constant except the last one very good Smile

by **loveforte** 24th June 2009, 10:47 pm

Aftermarket deep-dish 17" rims with LS2000 hybrid II tyres.
1st tank pumped 39L of esso 95 with a mileage of 300km.
average = 7.7KM/L

Sad

light footed.
no revs over 3000rpm.
70% city area
30% highways

by Cypher 24th June 2009, 11:46 pm

Tyre size other than 195/65 R15, 205/55 R16 and 215/45 R17 will give incorrect odometer reading...

by **loveforte** 25th June 2009, 12:20 am

hmmm...for me..the 17" giving me quite accurate speed fyi.
bcoz i make a constant speed and i see my GPS. same speed clocking.

by dandeana21 25th June 2009, 12:47 am

me going to drag all my barangs out of my car liao.. esp the car shampoo... tongue

by Juz@kid 25th June 2009, 3:39 am

dandeana21 wrote:me going to drag all my barangs out of my car liao.. esp the car shampoo...

WRONG!!!!! not ur car shampoo.... its ur bear datz u shld kick out of ur car... cheers

wakakakaka...

by FriesL 25th June 2009, 8:30 am

NightAngler wrote: return trip to Genting. Sin-Genting with 2 adults + 2 child. Genting-Sin myself only cause windscreen cracked while left at open space car park. Heavy footed driving with speed of 100-160 KMH on NSHW
(12.53 KM/L)

Note: All readings taken from Trip A/B with pump receipts

Consumption will have taken into consideration all warm up/idling time duration as well as evaporation losses in our hot climate.

Driving style wise, I'll consider myself to be slightly heavy footed.

Current ODO reading abt 5900 KM

hi, bro,
Your windscreen crack happened while in genting? OMG!
anyone could advise is this a batch problem or what.. crack locally is already bad.. if while we drive up will be horrible man..
Crying or Very sad

by **loveforte** 25th June 2009, 2:03 pm

maybe hit by some local ah beng and ah seng???

by NightAngler 25th June 2009, 2:45 pm

loveforte wrote:maybe hit by some local ah beng and ah seng???

Cracked by itself when left overnight in open space car park (coldest temp abt 13 deg C).
Not a single sign of impact, dent nor scratch mark on windscreen/frame.
Crackline originate from windscreen frame structure (A - beam) propagating inwards into a L-shape crackline
Starting point of crackline very similar to previous pics shown

Based on crackline characteristics, my guess is a structural stress induced crack. Temperature may be a contributing factor.

Based on what I'd found out, Forte windscreen is laminated type (multi-layer).

When subjecting different layer of lamination to different temp, differential thermal expansion/contraction can induce longitudinal/lateral stress. This is especially so when crackline originate from a curvature area.

If I'm the KIA engineer investigating into this matter, I'll install a few strain gauges (measuring up to micron level) at windscreen frame & its surrounding vicinity.

Thereafter, subject the windscreen exterior to different temp range (10-40 deg C).
Meantime, will subject interior cabin temp to different temp range (i.e. maintaining a temp differential of 10-30 deg C between interior/exterior).

Another experiment will be to run the engine for 2-4 hrs till it's hot & repeat above experiment again. This will cause engine compartment area to be hot (thermal expansion) which may also contribute to the overall windscreen framework structural stress level.

Should the thermal induced stress level exceeds existing windscreen tolerable stress limits, it will likely crack in a laboratory environment.

IMHO, this issue has the potential to develop into a batch recall issue. More so when there's car which had twice reported the same problem.

by **melburn** 25th June 2009, 2:46 pm

weeza77 wrote:Tyre size other than 195/65 R15, 205/55 R16 and 215/45 R17 will give incorrect odometer reading...

My tyres are 225/45 R17 but the reading still accurate.
Coz i everday pass by the bedok exit they have a speed reader there by lta so far quite accurate.

Very Happy

by Cypher 25th June 2009, 5:51 pm

melburn wrote:
weeza77 wrote:Tyre size other than 195/65 R15, 205/55 R16 and 215/45 R17 will give incorrect odometer reading...

My tyres are 225/45 R17 but the reading still accurate.
Coz i everday pass by the bedok exit they have a speed reader there by lta so far quite accurate.

Scroll down to A Tire size calculator -> http://www.carbibles.com/tire_bible_pg2.html

by FriesL 25th June 2009, 8:10 pm

NightAngler wrote:
loveforte wrote:maybe hit by some local ah beng and ah seng???
Cracked by itself when left overnight in open space car park (coldest temp abt 13 deg C).
Not a single sign of impact, dent nor scratch mark on windscreen/frame.
Crackline originate from windscreen frame structure (A - beam) propagating inwards into a L-shape crackline
Starting point of crackline very similar to previous pics shown

Based on crackline characteristics, my guess is a structural stress induced crack. Temperature may be a contributing factor.

Based on what I'd found out, Forte windscreen is laminated type (multi-layer).

When subjecting different layer of lamination to different temp, differential thermal expansion/contraction can induce longitudinal/lateral stress. This is especially so when crackline originate from a curvature area.

If I'm the KIA engineer investigating into this matter, I'll install a few strain gauges (measuring up to micron level) at windscreen frame & its surrounding vicinity.

Thereafter, subject the windscreen exterior to different temp range (10-40 deg C).
Meantime, will subject interior cabin temp to different temp range (i.e. maintaining a temp differential of 10-30 deg C between interior/exterior).

Another experiment will be to run the engine for 2-4 hrs till it's hot & repeat above experiment again. This will cause engine compartment area to be hot (thermal expansion) which may also contribute to the overall windscreen framework structural stress level.

Should the thermal induced stress level exceeds existing windscreen tolerable stress limits, it will likely crack in a laboratory environment.

IMHO, this issue has the potential to develop into a batch recall issue. More so when there's car which had twice reported the same problem.

Wow.. think this is worrying.. but at least good to know its a multilayered windscreen..
but good analysis sharing bro..

cheers

by Potatoes 26th June 2009, 7:15 am

Anyone knows if the "Sports Mode" ie using the "+" or " -" sign on the gear box actually helps to lower FC... I am still testing this feature this to see if driving it in this mode will help in FC....

by nocash 26th June 2009, 8:38 am

Potatoes wrote:Anyone knows if the "Sports Mode" ie using the "+" or " -" sign on the gear box actually helps to lower FC... I am still testing this feature this to see if driving it in this mode will help in FC....

thank, we wait for your answer..... Surprised

by Fortec 26th June 2009, 9:00 am

Potatoes wrote:Anyone knows if the "Sports Mode" ie using the "+" or " -" sign on the gear box actually helps to lower FC... I am still testing this feature this to see if driving it in this mode will help in FC....

The word "SPORTS" said it all liao leh.

by lukester 26th June 2009, 10:30 am

today, my 1.6 SX(A) did a 6.5l/100KM.

Best i have done so far.

Total run 19km.

about 30% city and 70% expressway. Its PIE which on the average i drive 80km to 90km/h only. Thats equvilant to 15.38km/l.

Think driving slow really use up less petrol for me too. Further more I am carrying slightly more than 3/4 tank.

by **tish** 27th June 2009, 11:47 am

Potatoes wrote:Anyone knows if the "Sports Mode" ie using the "+" or " -" sign on the gear box actually helps to lower FC... I am still testing this feature this to see if driving it in this mode will help in FC....

The + - is electrical manual mode, if u can change gear in lower RPM than the AUTO mode change gear, u safe more petrol loh.

Petrol used depends on the RPM for end user who sits in the car to drive.
LOW RPM = save petrol in most cases...

by dinkodink 27th June 2009, 12:44 pm

Previously I wrote:presently happy with my SX2.0(M) FC... presently average FC meter indicate 8L/100km... still on 'run in'... will do manual calculation to confirm again...

did a manual calculation based on 1/4 tank used (fuel gauge lever at 3/4 tank)
travelled 195km top up 15.3litre... (research for cross border purposes... hehe)

travelled 50normal:50xpressway...
aircon temp set 21-23 degress... 70% of time will be on...

getting an average of 13KM/L FC for my 2.0SX(M).
totalled distance travelled b4 topup is 364km...

will do manual calc on my next full tank topup
What a Face

am very happy presently with my FC...

by **tish** 27th June 2009, 2:05 pm

wow, u bery hard working leh hehehe

by Leonard 27th June 2009, 3:51 pm

dinkodink wrote:
Previously I wrote:presently happy with my SX2.0(M) FC... presently average FC meter indicate 8L/100km... still on 'run in'... will do manual calculation to confirm again...
did a manual calculation based on 1/4 tank used (fuel gauge lever at 3/4 tank)
travelled 195km top up 15.3litre... (research for cross border purposes... hehe)

travelled 50normal:50xpressway...
aircon temp set 21-23 degress... 70% of time will be on...

getting an average of 13KM/L FC for my 2.0SX(M).
totalled distance travelled b4 topup is 364km...

will do manual calc on my next full tank topup
am very happy presently with my FC...

BRO !! u ish pro .. alrd on par wif 1.6 (M) liao .
i believe u run on 3/4 tank and not full tank ?
car tire pressure ?
i pumped , 34PSI which is +2 from the recommended setting .

by dinkodink 27th June 2009, 4:12 pm

i run on full tank, once fuel gauge touch 3/4, i top up to see how much petrol used when the lever go 3/4...
to see whether worth it to go jb pump petrol... hehe

last check... as of 20th june... tire pressure 32psi for all 4 wheels...

by Leonard 27th June 2009, 4:15 pm

dinkodink wrote:i run on full tank, once fuel gauge touch 3/4, i top up to see how much petrol used when the lever go 3/4...
to see whether worth it to go jb pump petrol... hehe

last check... as of 20th june... tire pressure 32psi for all 4 wheels...

not bad not bad !
for my i pump +2 , think better FC .. of cuz they say a lil dangerous . BUT definitely not as bad as the time where all of collect our 1st ride .
the psi really killer !

by dinkodink 27th June 2009, 4:19 pm

im really quite impressed with the FC... Very Happy

by **loveforte** 28th June 2009, 12:27 am

im getting consistant 10km/L on my 2L forte auto

by meeoows 28th June 2009, 12:54 am

loveforte wrote:im getting consistant 10km/L on my 2L forte auto

Wow...so good FC for 2L. Can share what are the things you install in your car, how many % highway and city, and the fuel you pump?

by **loveforte** 28th June 2009, 1:25 am

meeoows wrote:
loveforte wrote:im getting consistant 10km/L on my 2L forte auto

Wow...so good FC for 2L. Can share what are the things you install in your car, how many % highway and city, and the fuel you pump?

caltex 92
60% highway, 30% city....another 10% contribute to jam Shocked

by **loveforte** 28th June 2009, 1:27 am

havent install anything yet...even my stock air fliter oso havent change. now still running in. mileage clocked 720km only.

by FriesL 28th June 2009, 1:49 am

lukester wrote:today, my 1.6 SX(A) did a 6.5l/100KM.

Best i have done so far.

Total run 19km.

about 30% city and 70% expressway. Its PIE which on the average i drive 80km to 90km/h only. Thats equvilant to 15.38km/l.

Think driving slow really use up less petrol for me too. Further more I am carrying slightly more than 3/4 tank.

Hi, bro lukester..
15.38km/l is really good... seriously?... cheers

did you removed all typical extras?

by meeoows 28th June 2009, 2:07 am

loveforte wrote:havent install anything yet...even my stock air fliter oso havent change. now still running in. mileage clocked 720km only.

wah...that's really v good fc compared with my friend's 2L. He's always getting 7km/l only.

i've yet to receive my 2L yet. thought can see what are the things you installed that helped then i can 'copy' haha..

by **loveforte** 28th June 2009, 2:52 am

im installing my photo conductor, a device which connect directly from batt to our alternator. cost abt $200. dekit from my previous car ma...
my on coming is grounding, photo conductor, drop in simota fliter
thats 'all'

by Potatoes 28th June 2009, 6:43 am

FriesL wrote:
lukester wrote:today, my 1.6 SX(A) did a 6.5l/100KM.

Best i have done so far.

Total run 19km.

about 30% city and 70% expressway. Its PIE which on the average i drive 80km to 90km/h only. Thats equvilant to 15.38km/l.

Think driving slow really use up less petrol for me too. Further more I am carrying slightly more than 3/4 tank.

Hi, bro lukester..
15.38km/l is really good... seriously?...

I agree! Your FC is the BEST so far..... is it consistent? Want to learn from u.... what fuel type u use?
I m still running in..... currently at 500 after a week.
did you removed all typical extras?

by newsman 28th June 2009, 9:14 am

Me trying out the 250km NSHW JB to Melaka with 5 Adult to day.
Wil monitor the HW non stop 2 ways 500km FC n share here.

by nothing 28th June 2009, 11:29 am

FriesL wrote:
lukester wrote:today, my 1.6 SX(A) did a 6.5l/100KM.

Best i have done so far.

Total run 19km.

about 30% city and 70% expressway. Its PIE which on the average i drive 80km to 90km/h only. Thats equvilant to 15.38km/l.

Think driving slow really use up less petrol for me too. Further more I am carrying slightly more than 3/4 tank.

Hi, bro lukester..
15.38km/l is really good... seriously?...
did you removed all typical extras?

I believed he's refering to that particular stretch along PIE....

by Fortec 28th June 2009, 1:12 pm

461.2km travelled pumped to full 29.3L

15.74km/l ^^

by **tish** 28th June 2009, 2:32 pm

Fortec wrote:461.2km travelled pumped to full 29.3L

15.74km/l ^^

wow ur also good wor! Smile

by **loveforte** 28th June 2009, 3:52 pm

power la...
when will i have this type of reading... bow

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