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Post by koayst on 28th February 2010, 2:54 pm

Anybody knows what is the spec of Brisk Spark Plug for Forte ?

Cant find the spec in the Internet for MRS12YS9 which is for Forte. Will like to know how many miles or kilometers before I need to change it.

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Post by IPOH FORTE on 2nd March 2010, 9:29 pm

1.6 or 2.0 Forte?
Use NGK or Denso cheaper.

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Post by snowman on 2nd March 2010, 10:51 pm

Denso and NGK dont' do silver electrode. It is a totally different thing.

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Post by Divine on 3rd March 2010, 9:27 am

yes NGK and Denso might be cheaper but conductivity is not as good as silver electrode ur comparing apple to orange...

bro koayst MRS12YS9 is for 1.6L the 2 L is using different size.. btw the plugs can last u 30 ro 40k.. if u want currently in the market there is no stock.. have to wait abit.. can contact me if u want i can arrange for a fitting for u at $138 nett and $176 nett for the 2L
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Post by darksoul on 3rd March 2010, 9:32 am

Lol I know this price horizon auto enterprise lol

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Post by Divine on 3rd March 2010, 4:29 pm

darksoul wrote:Lol I know this price horizon auto enterprise lol

yes alternately just go there loh hehe
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Post by r11s on 4th March 2010, 7:24 am

Divine wrote:yes NGK and Denso might be cheaper but conductivity is not as good as silver electrode ur comparing apple to orange...

bro koayst MRS12YS9 is for 1.6L the 2 L is using different size.. btw the plugs can last u 30 ro 40k.. if u want currently in the market there is no stock.. have to wait abit.. can contact me if u want i can arrange for a fitting for u at $138 nett and $176 nett for the 2L

any diff or not compare to those iridium? 10hp gain or wat?

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Post by Divine on 4th March 2010, 8:26 am

r11s wrote:
Divine wrote:yes NGK and Denso might be cheaper but conductivity is not as good as silver electrode ur comparing apple to orange...

bro koayst MRS12YS9 is for 1.6L the 2 L is using different size.. btw the plugs can last u 30 ro 40k.. if u want currently in the market there is no stock.. have to wait abit.. can contact me if u want i can arrange for a fitting for u at $138 nett and $176 nett for the 2L

any diff or not compare to those iridium? 10hp gain or wat?

bro if u chk the conductivity list in wikipedia u will see that iridium is actually a not so good conductor of electricity.. where as silver is on top of the list and also the reason why they use iridium is simply, just that it can last u almost 100k well.. durablilty vs performance.. if u want plugs to last u very long type and works worst then normal copper plugs then iridium is for u but if u want efficency, power and better FC then Brisk Silver is for u. btw brisk is the only plugs that make silver plugs..
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Post by liplip on 4th March 2010, 11:57 am

Divine wrote:
r11s wrote:
Divine wrote:yes NGK and Denso might be cheaper but conductivity is not as good as silver electrode ur comparing apple to orange...

bro koayst MRS12YS9 is for 1.6L the 2 L is using different size.. btw the plugs can last u 30 ro 40k.. if u want currently in the market there is no stock.. have to wait abit.. can contact me if u want i can arrange for a fitting for u at $138 nett and $176 nett for the 2L

any diff or not compare to those iridium? 10hp gain or wat?

bro if u chk the conductivity list in wikipedia u will see that iridium is actually a not so good conductor of electricity.. where as silver is on top of the list and also the reason why they use iridium is simply, just that it can last u almost 100k well.. durablilty vs performance.. if u want plugs to last u very long type and works worst then normal copper plugs then iridium is for u but if u want efficency, power and better FC then Brisk Silver is for u. btw brisk is the only plugs that make silver plugs..

You talking about electrical conductivity or thermal conductivity? Did you also notice that Silver boils away more easily than copper? Why put something so expensive to have it come out of the exhaust in an instant?

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Post by Divine on 4th March 2010, 2:29 pm

liplip wrote:
Divine wrote:
r11s wrote:
Divine wrote:yes NGK and Denso might be cheaper but conductivity is not as good as silver electrode ur comparing apple to orange...

bro koayst MRS12YS9 is for 1.6L the 2 L is using different size.. btw the plugs can last u 30 ro 40k.. if u want currently in the market there is no stock.. have to wait abit.. can contact me if u want i can arrange for a fitting for u at $138 nett and $176 nett for the 2L

any diff or not compare to those iridium? 10hp gain or wat?

bro if u chk the conductivity list in wikipedia u will see that iridium is actually a not so good conductor of electricity.. where as silver is on top of the list and also the reason why they use iridium is simply, just that it can last u almost 100k well.. durablilty vs performance.. if u want plugs to last u very long type and works worst then normal copper plugs then iridium is for u but if u want efficency, power and better FC then Brisk Silver is for u. btw brisk is the only plugs that make silver plugs..

You talking about electrical conductivity or thermal conductivity? Did you also notice that Silver boils away more easily than copper? Why put something so expensive to have it come out of the exhaust in an instant?

bro the electrode do not boils away in ur engine silver melting point is 961.93 °C (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_melting_point_and_boiling_point_of_silver)
erm dont think our car is capable of that temp leh..if ur engine block is more then 100C then ur radiator fluid will all just boil away.. and tats still only 1/10 of the melting point of silver.. by the time ur car can hit 500C it will be burning melting ur air manifold air box fuse box and etc.. then GG to u can buy new car liao... that is why i will nv put any thing tat i am unsure of.. dun forget this thing goes into ur engine where all the moving parts are.. yes copper will be the second in line to conductivity, its better then iridium but the down side is that u have to maintain it freq. then again power vs durablilty ur choice =)
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Post by liplip on 4th March 2010, 2:47 pm

If a piece of metals heats to 500 degrees celsius it transfers that heat to the engine coolant and heats the coolant by 3 degrees celsius only. This is understood by looking at the heat capacity of the materials, measured in joules per mole per kelvin, and water absorbs loads of heat before it's temperature changes. Coolant does not boil off because it is pressurized, but if you took off the radiator cap it boils off in minutes. And doing a search also tells you that combustion chamber burns at over 1000degrees celsius.

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Post by Divine on 4th March 2010, 3:11 pm

liplip wrote:If a piece of metals heats to 500 degrees celsius it transfers that heat to the engine coolant and heats the coolant by 3 degrees celsius only. This is understood by looking at the heat capacity of the materials, measured in joules per mole per kelvin, and water absorbs loads of heat before it's temperature changes. Coolant does not boil off because it is pressurized, but if you took off the radiator cap it boils off in minutes. And doing a search also tells you that combustion chamber burns at over 1000degrees celsius.


bro silver plugs are design to dessipate heat quickly.
some referance to support my statement

Question:
Doesn't a silver electrode melt?

Answer:
No. Just like conventional spark plugs, Silver spark plugs are available in different heat ranges. If the correct heatrange is chosen, thermal problems won't arise.

Question:
Why are Silver spark plugs "the best spark plugs in the world"?

Answer:
A spark plug has only one function. Deliver a spark to the combustion chamber to initiate combustion. A stronger spark means improved combustion. If the metal used for the center electrode is a poor electrical conductor, such as platinum or nickel-alloy, some of the energy is lost and the spark is weaker. A weaker spark could mean lost performance. Silver is by far the best electrical and thermal conductor of any metal. Using a large silver diameter center electrode, can mean up to 137% more spark power and therefore increased engine performance. Nology Silver spark plugs out-perform all other spark plugs and deliver the most powerful spark. That's why Silver spark plugs are the best spark plugs in the world.


Question:
Aren't Platinum or Iridium spark plugs the best?

Answer:
No. As a matter of fact, Platinum and Iridium are some of the worst metal conductors. The reason why Platinum and Iridium spark plugs are used is for longevity only. They can last up to 100,000 miles. If you are looking for longevity, they are for you. If you are looking for performance, choose silver.


Question:
Isn't copper a good conductor?

Answer:
Yes, but not the best. Silver is the best. Also, the electrodes of spark plugs with so called "copper electrodes" are not solid copper, they are copper core. This means, an electrode made out of a poor conducting material, usually nickel-alloy, with a copper core. This only benefits heat dissipation, not performance.


all the info can be found on (http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/general-discussion/124970-euro-brisk-multispark-spark-plug.html)
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Post by Divine on 4th March 2010, 3:14 pm

Many racing plugs, for example, will usually have a silver center electrode along with a shorter ground tang. This configuration allows more spark to be exposed to the incoming mixture as the spark is less obscured by the tang itself. For many years, tuners have indexed plugs by shimming them so that the gap would face towards the center of the cylinder or intake port; the theory behind this being that the flame front would ignite and move more rapidly throughout the chamber. In addition, racing spark plugs are not usually fitted with a resistor, and as mentioned, often utilize a silver center electrode. Remembering from last month's article, the use of silver in most performance applications is due to its superior electrical and thermal conductivity, enabling higher spark energy and rapid heat dissipation. Regardless of the design details of the particular spark plug, there are four main factors when choosing a plug for a particular application.

from (http://www.motorcyclistspost.com/techpage.htm)
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Post by liplip on 4th March 2010, 4:13 pm

I've seen the Q&A from Brisk, and I have read magazine articles of the Brisk plug dyno tested. The plugs are very good, add HP of around 3-5.

But I just have an urge to share my view, which is to save some money by going for good old copper, one that goes out the exhaust and you would not worry about.

Whatever is used for the tip will erode away over time, see this http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/technical/diagnosis.htm. Compare the "Normal" spark plug and the "Normal life" spark plug, the difference between a new and old one is the copper eroding away and the spark gap increasing. This is the only real concern that I have, since it is normal for the electrode to erode away, I would prefer cheap than expensive.

I would not mind paying for Iridium though, since it does last 3-4 times longer than copper and costs more in return.

Something interesting, in that link there is a melted spark plug, and it is not the same as what I was referring to. I suspect that is what the Q&A from Brisk page is talking about though, when the heat range is wrong.

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Post by KnightRider on 4th March 2010, 4:28 pm

At the end of the day.....do silver plugs performance better? Yes? Then just go for it...of cos if cost is not a concern.

If cost is a concern, dont change anything....use stock plugs

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Post by FriesL on 4th March 2010, 4:45 pm

Hi, There
think so i am gg to get this.. how do i contact you? irrc saw your no some where.. Thanks.
1.6SX.. currently at 17k mileage.. (do 1st then send to CC for 20k servicing?)
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Post by Divine on 4th March 2010, 4:59 pm

liplip wrote:I've seen the Q&A from Brisk, and I have read magazine articles of the Brisk plug dyno tested. The plugs are very good, add HP of around 3-5.

But I just have an urge to share my view, which is to save some money by going for good old copper, one that goes out the exhaust and you would not worry about.

Whatever is used for the tip will erode away over time, see this http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/technical/diagnosis.htm. Compare the "Normal" spark plug and the "Normal life" spark plug, the difference between a new and old one is the copper eroding away and the spark gap increasing. This is the only real concern that I have, since it is normal for the electrode to erode away, I would prefer cheap than expensive.

I would not mind paying for Iridium though, since it does last 3-4 times longer than copper and costs more in return.

Something interesting, in that link there is a melted spark plug, and it is not the same as what I was referring to. I suspect that is what the Q&A from Brisk page is talking about though, when the heat range is wrong.

That is why i said! its a problem of performance VS Durabillity. its ur car so ur choice =)
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Post by liplip on 4th March 2010, 11:03 pm

Of course it is a matter of choice, just that I noticed how that Brisk FAQ only lists what that is in favour of its product, and does not really tell you why thermal conductivity matters. Do note that you have to operate your car at 6000rpm to get that 5 more horses because at 6000rpm you are running a very hot engine. At the 2000-3000rpm, maybe only 0-1 more horsepower judging from the torque graphs in magazines.

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Post by snowman on 4th March 2010, 11:05 pm

Divine wrote:
liplip wrote:I've seen the Q&A from Brisk, and I have read magazine articles of the Brisk plug dyno tested. The plugs are very good, add HP of around 3-5.

But I just have an urge to share my view, which is to save some money by going for good old copper, one that goes out the exhaust and you would not worry about.

Whatever is used for the tip will erode away over time, see this http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/technical/diagnosis.htm. Compare the "Normal" spark plug and the "Normal life" spark plug, the difference between a new and old one is the copper eroding away and the spark gap increasing. This is the only real concern that I have, since it is normal for the electrode to erode away, I would prefer cheap than expensive.

I would not mind paying for Iridium though, since it does last 3-4 times longer than copper and costs more in return.

Something interesting, in that link there is a melted spark plug, and it is not the same as what I was referring to. I suspect that is what the Q&A from Brisk page is talking about though, when the heat range is wrong.

That is why i said! its a problem of performance VS Durabillity. its ur car so ur choice =)

Performance VS Durability? Which give better performance and durability? Silver or Iridium?

If the answer is Irdium. It's a big long. Everybody think that iridium last very long. As I think I even mentioned. Iridium only last 15k to 20k km. Silver last for at least 30k km. For some copper, can ever last even more longer then iridium and perform better then iridium and cheaper then iridium. So which is the choice? Copper lah! Why you feel iridium performance better then copper? Because you copper plugs is build with carbons already. Try to clean your copper plugs, remove the iridium and put back the copper and see which is better lor.

Then after that. use a carbon build up copper plugs test run, take it out and put in a carbon build up silver plugs and you will also know the answer.

As mentioned by bro KightRider "At the end of the day.....do silver plugs performance better? Yes? Then just go for it...of cos if cost is not a concern.

If cost is a concern, dont change anything....use stock plugs"


This is a good sentence.

If didn't tried before, tired already that start to comment which is good and value for money. That is a Geniune Statement.

Last but not least. I was there watching the Dyno run on a stock china made car which equipped with Brisk LGS and Hurricane filter. Mid range increment of 15 BHP.

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Post by liplip on 4th March 2010, 11:30 pm

snowman wrote:
Divine wrote:
liplip wrote:I've seen the Q&A from Brisk, and I have read magazine articles of the Brisk plug dyno tested. The plugs are very good, add HP of around 3-5.

But I just have an urge to share my view, which is to save some money by going for good old copper, one that goes out the exhaust and you would not worry about.

Whatever is used for the tip will erode away over time, see this http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/technical/diagnosis.htm. Compare the "Normal" spark plug and the "Normal life" spark plug, the difference between a new and old one is the copper eroding away and the spark gap increasing. This is the only real concern that I have, since it is normal for the electrode to erode away, I would prefer cheap than expensive.

I would not mind paying for Iridium though, since it does last 3-4 times longer than copper and costs more in return.

Something interesting, in that link there is a melted spark plug, and it is not the same as what I was referring to. I suspect that is what the Q&A from Brisk page is talking about though, when the heat range is wrong.

That is why i said! its a problem of performance VS Durabillity. its ur car so ur choice =)

Performance VS Durability? Which give better performance and durability? Silver or Iridium?

If the answer is Irdium. It's a big long. Everybody think that iridium last very long. As I think I even mentioned. Iridium only last 15k to 20k km. Silver last for at least 30k km. For some copper, can ever last even more longer then iridium and perform better then iridium and cheaper then iridium. So which is the choice? Copper lah! Why you feel iridium performance better then copper? Because you copper plugs is build with carbons already. Try to clean your copper plugs, remove the iridium and put back the copper and see which is better lor.

Then after that. use a carbon build up copper plugs test run, take it out and put in a carbon build up silver plugs and you will also know the answer.

As mentioned by bro KightRider "At the end of the day.....do silver plugs performance better? Yes? Then just go for it...of cos if cost is not a concern.

If cost is a concern, dont change anything....use stock plugs"


This is a good sentence.

If didn't tried before, tired already that start to comment which is good and value for money. That is a Geniune Statement.

Last but not least. I was there watching the Dyno run on a stock china made car which equipped with Brisk LGS and Hurricane filter. Mid range increment of 15 BHP.

That why I want to share that stock copper plug is a good idea, change it anytime to recover the HP lost from carbon-build-up. You wouldn't bat an eyelid if you ran up and down NSH running a hot engine that is vaporizing your spark plug's copper electrode.

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Post by Divine on 5th March 2010, 12:23 am

liplip wrote:
snowman wrote:
Divine wrote:
liplip wrote:I've seen the Q&A from Brisk, and I have read magazine articles of the Brisk plug dyno tested. The plugs are very good, add HP of around 3-5.

But I just have an urge to share my view, which is to save some money by going for good old copper, one that goes out the exhaust and you would not worry about.

Whatever is used for the tip will erode away over time, see this http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/technical/diagnosis.htm. Compare the "Normal" spark plug and the "Normal life" spark plug, the difference between a new and old one is the copper eroding away and the spark gap increasing. This is the only real concern that I have, since it is normal for the electrode to erode away, I would prefer cheap than expensive.

I would not mind paying for Iridium though, since it does last 3-4 times longer than copper and costs more in return.

Something interesting, in that link there is a melted spark plug, and it is not the same as what I was referring to. I suspect that is what the Q&A from Brisk page is talking about though, when the heat range is wrong.

That is why i said! its a problem of performance VS Durabillity. its ur car so ur choice =)

Performance VS Durability? Which give better performance and durability? Silver or Iridium?

If the answer is Irdium. It's a big long. Everybody think that iridium last very long. As I think I even mentioned. Iridium only last 15k to 20k km. Silver last for at least 30k km. For some copper, can ever last even more longer then iridium and perform better then iridium and cheaper then iridium. So which is the choice? Copper lah! Why you feel iridium performance better then copper? Because you copper plugs is build with carbons already. Try to clean your copper plugs, remove the iridium and put back the copper and see which is better lor.

Then after that. use a carbon build up copper plugs test run, take it out and put in a carbon build up silver plugs and you will also know the answer.

As mentioned by bro KightRider "At the end of the day.....do silver plugs performance better? Yes? Then just go for it...of cos if cost is not a concern.

If cost is a concern, dont change anything....use stock plugs"


This is a good sentence.

If didn't tried before, tired already that start to comment which is good and value for money. That is a Geniune Statement.

Last but not least. I was there watching the Dyno run on a stock china made car which equipped with Brisk LGS and Hurricane filter. Mid range increment of 15 BHP.

That why I want to share that stock copper plug is a good idea, change it anytime to recover the HP lost from carbon-build-up. You wouldn't bat an eyelid if you ran up and down NSH running a hot engine that is vaporizing your spark plug's copper electrode.

hmm i wonder have u tried the plugs? hmm dun think u will feel that way if u had =)
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Post by liplip on 5th March 2010, 12:50 am

I have not, and thinking that I need to experience it too. Waiting for servicing to come, and hope I don't have the angel on my left shoulder telling me to save. Haha. Smile

Being poor and jobless sucks...

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Post by Divine on 5th March 2010, 8:25 am

haha poison! i think after u try u wont tell me the same thing...haha same for those bros here who had it installed =)
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Post by VAG on 5th March 2010, 11:29 am

Brisk Silver at AutoBacs selling for how much outside? Can the price be lower?
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Post by sibeisong on 5th March 2010, 4:16 pm

i had brisk silver and Hurricane installed in my ride last week.. so far i am damn song on the performance.. my car response faster and pickup improves greatly.

Try it and you will know it!

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Post by Divine on 6th March 2010, 12:28 pm

VAG wrote:Brisk Silver at AutoBacs selling for how much outside? Can the price be lower?

bro brisk silver(1.6) and the LGS(2L) have a fixed price of $138 and $176 respectively. if u get from autobacs u have to pay GST and installation fee. well as i said getting from autobac or me is the same, as those in autobacs/dealers also our product. only thing got gst and fm me its nett =)
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Post by FriesL on 8th March 2010, 2:03 pm

hi, Divine

awaiting of your good news for stock...haaa..

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Post by Divine on 8th March 2010, 2:13 pm

FriesL wrote:hi, Divine

awaiting of your good news for stock...haaa..

plugs will be coming in april =)
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